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I dont have a source but I believe Ryan Miller was named the mvp of the entire olympic tournament. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.132.75 (talk) 04:37, 19 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If someone can find their final standing in the 1988 olympics that'd be great, they didn't make the medal round, that's all I know, and I'm tired. Maybe I'll find it tommorow, but now my battery is about to run out. Kevin Rector 03:40, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)

NPOV issue re: Ryan Miller?

"The USA is not expected to medal in Torino 2006 unless goalie Ryan Miller is somehow activated and made the starting goaltender."

This seems awfully subjective to me. Sure, I too would rather see Miller on the active roster instead of on the taxi squad, but to say that the US' medal chances hinge on him screams of fanboyism.

24.184.39.98 02:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, yes yes, I do agree with 24.184.39.98, that is fanboyish Bert (^_^)

Be Bold! zellin t / c 16:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flags

Are the flags supposed to be where the players were born or where the players attended college? If the former, than Rick DiPietro's flag needs to be changed to Maine since he was born in Lewiston, Maine. Kntrabssi 01:50, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The NHL lists him as being born in Winthrop, MA. http://www.nhl.com/players/8468481.html 192.147.12.31 15:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm...nhlpa, nbcolympics.com list him in Lewiston. Anyone know where the dicrepancy came from? ccwaters 15:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the flag next to John Tortorella's name is Florida's. While he is coaching a team in Florida he is from Massachusetts. Go 'Bolts!! Asatruar (talk) 22:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

American men's national hockey team → United States men's national hockey team — American is ambiguous. Other articles in Category:National sports teams of the United States begin with USA or United States, not American —Neier 07:22, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support as nominator. Neier 07:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been renamed from American men's national hockey team to United States men's national hockey team as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 06:37, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Moved back. Look at the other national hockey team articles. -- Earl Andrew - talk 18:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Move request again, with all other countries involved

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

American men's national hockey team → United States national men's hockey team — see below —Neier 05:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Most national teams in Category:National sports teams are named such as Country Name national sport team. Three exceptions have been noted – the teams in Category:National ice hockey teams, Category:Women's national ice hockey teams, and Category:National bandy teams, where an adjectival form of the nation is used in place of the proper name. Besides the inconsistency with other sports, it can also lead to ambiguity (American is not exclusive to the United States) etc. The United States article was recently brought here, and moved with no objections; but, the move was soon reverted in order to match the rest of the ice hockey teams. I maintain that changing the ice hockey and bandy teams to match the rest of the sports in Category:National sports teams (including large categories such as Category:National basketball teams, Category:Davis Cup teams, and Category:National football (soccer) teams) is more important. For some of the more well-populated national categories, I've linked to the nation's encompassing national team category below, for more references. I dislike group nominations; but, in light of the move/revert that recently happened, this is the only way to resolve the naming issue as a community. -- Neier 05:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not positive of the correct term here (it could be England). Corrections are welcome.
- British national ice hockey team → Great Britain national ice hockey team> ~~United Kingdom national ice hockey team~~
- British national women's ice hockey team → Great Britain national women's ice hockey team ~~United Kingdom national women's ice hockey team~~

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.

Support as nomination. Neier 05:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom to move all teams. Changing the adjective by a noun helps to avoid the politically incorrect ambiguity. German team is not necessarily composed entirely of ethnic Germans but it is still a team of Germany. Same, for Russia, Ukraine, etc. --Irpen 06:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as people use the adjectives in their normal speech. The proposal just sounds akward. -- Earl Andrew - talk 07:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Irpen, also keeps consistency with other national team articles. T Rex | talk 12:23, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Earl Andrew. I think the new way is far to cumbersome and awkward. If anything I think the other sports should be changed to match the ice hockey approach. --Djsasso 18:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose In the international hockey tournaments I've seen, that's how they're described. GoodDay 18:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Earl Andrew, Djsasso, and GoodDay. Kaiser matias 19:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support Consistency with other pages is important. I believe that noun form is relatively common, even if the adjective form is also common. For example, Hockey Canada throughout their web site uses phrases such as "Team Canada" or "Canada's National Men's Team". Other examples: [1] [2]. Although I didn't look too extensively, I didn't see any times where Hockey Canada used the adjective form to describe the team. -- JamesTeterenko 19:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Further to my comment: How about using the possessive form of the noun: Canada's national men's hockey team ? -- JamesTeterenko 19:17, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would change my oppose to support if the versions were what JamesTeterenko suggests. But I definately don't like the original suggestion. --Djsasso 19:22, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, I might support JamesTeterenko's idea but not the original. --Krm500 19:56, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support for JamesTeterenko's alternate, oppose the original proposal. I know that the proposal would add consistency in naming, but I really don't like the use of a bad precedent as an argument in favour of a change. "Canada men's..." is simply very awkward to read and say. I would prefer to leave the names as they are, but if we change to a possessive variant of the "formal" title, that would be acceptable to me. Resolute 19:57, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- To add as well, the concern that not every German team player would be an ethnic German doesn't really wash with me. A team is a representative of the nation it is playing for. So while an individual might have a different heritage, the team itself is of the nation it plays for. So, it is the German team, not the Germany team. Resolute 19:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - I was thinking the exact same thing. Just because your ethnicity is not German that does not mean your nationality isn't. So that arguement is completely baseless. I would prefer it to stay as it is but would support James's alternate if the /need/ was there to change it. --Djsasso 20:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Dainius Zubrus played for Russia in the World Cup of Hockey in 2004, but his ethnicity is not Russian and his nationality is not either. T Rex | talk 20:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      - He has Russian citizenship (a requirement to play for a team in an IIHF competition) so therefore his nationality is Russian. Note that you can have more than one nationality. Just like Petr Nedved played for Team Canada at the Olympics. --Djsasso 20:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Well, I would consider citizenship and nationality different things. However, Nedved and Zubrus represent Canada and Russia respectively internationally. So when they are on that team, they are of those nations. Reso lute 20:45, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        Either way I think we are both getting at the same thing. --Djsasso 20:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I haven't looked at other sites, but USA Hockey does not use the term "American". Specifically, please see page 269 of this pdf, which lists the "2007 United States Mens National Team", as well as all of the group's press releases. We should be focussed on using the real names of things, and not nicknames which may or may not be used by the team and which may or may not be easy to say. Neier 22:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually is not the standard when naming articles to use the name most commonly known by? I do believe it is and if it is then it would be the American Men's National Team. --Djsasso 22:17, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - You would be referring to WP:NC#Use common names of persons and things. I can't find any google search (that excludes wikipedia) which has any combination of "American ...." beating "United States ...." in hit count. For the exact title's we're debating, the counts are 8 and 9, so not a whole lot to go by. "American hockey team" gives 966, while "United States hockey team" gives 10,600. Adding "national" in the title (the current and proposed title, except without "men's") gives a whopping 9 results for American national hockey team, and 840 for United States national hockey team. - Neier 22:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - But that falls into the category of you can't make all decisions based on google searches. In this instance especially I don't know a single person that would call it the United States National Team compared to the American National Team....In almost every newscast you will hear the second. In common everyday use you will almost always hear the second. --Djsasso 22:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, not all decisions can be made using Google; but, when it comes to proving the popularity of a particular term, I don't know of any better way. Is there any reliable evidence that supports the current names? In the US team's case, Team USA, or the Americans are probably more used on the newscasts anyway (be it wrt hockey, basketball, or whatever sport they happen to be showing), since they already have the context (the video), and don't have to use different names to distinguish a basketball team from a hockey team like we have to do in an encyclopedia. Neier 22:29, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - another point to consider is that when scores are written out in a newspaper, or on TV, etc, the team names are never "German" vs "French", or "Chinese" vs "American". The scores reported are always "Germany" vs "France", "China" vs "United States", etc. Why should wikipedia be any different? Neier 04:58, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support - there is no good reason why (ice) hockey should be the lone exception in Wikipedia for national sport team article names. There is a good reason why football et. al. use the "Country national sport team" naming convention, and that is because the adjectival form for many countries is awkward or unknown. Would you know to look at Sammarinese national football team instead of San Marino national football team? It's also easy for mistakes to be made - Kazakhstanian national bandy team is incorrect.
I also have another good reason for these articles to be renamed - it would then be feasible to use a template like Template:ih and Template:ih-rt for tournament results articles, similar to {{fb}} for football, {{bk}} for basketball, {{cr}} for cricket, {{ru}} for rugby union, {{vb}} for volleyball, {{fh}} for field hockey, {{davis}} and {{fed}} for tennis, etc. These two templates (plus another pair for women's teams) could replace all the individual templates found in Category:Ice hockey team templates (and probably many more uncategorized). Andrwsc 06:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support per nom and Andrwsc - PeeJay 22:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Andrwsc —MC 00:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support -Ulla 22:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

British national ice hockey teams should be moved to United Kingdom nationial ice hockey team. T Rex | talk 10:58, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Updated. Neier 12:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - If they are changed, it should be to "Great Britain" as that is what the IIHF refers to it. -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland competes as Great Britain in Olympic sports, and ice hockey is no exception. Earl Andrew is correct. Oldelpaso 16:03, 26 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The consensus was for these articles to be moved to the noun form (e.g. United States men's national hockey team). I will perform all the moves that require administrative powers, but I will leave the ones where the target is a red link above. This is only out of laziness and does not indicate that they should not also be moved likewise. --Stemonitis 09:48, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The easy-but-tedious moves to the (former) red links are completed. Neier 15:06, 29 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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1948 results

I adjusted the ranking for the world championships for 1948 to: 4th. Simply, the IOC disqualified the team from the olympics, the LIHG did not disqualify them from the world championships.18abruce (talk) 15:16, 3 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sailing back from Ice Hockey Olympics 1920

Hi, I noticed some datas are missing about U.S. ice hockey players. My free trial 14 days (ancestry) is running out and I found quite all the U.S. soccer player.

These are the pages I found:
back from Southampton with S.S. Mongolia 13 may 1920:

List #1 Raymond Bonney, Drury, Joseph and Lawrence McCormick, Franck Synnott (wrong, right = Synott), Cyril Weidenborner.
Synott back from 1924 Olympics
Cyril Weidenborner died 1983
Cyril Weidenborner died 1983 County Beltrami
Coach Cornelius Fellowes born New York Jan 1st 1877
George Pierce Geran

S.S. New York, 22 may 1920

Hope these useful to complete your records.--Nipas (talk) 22:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Roster for 2014 World Championships?

Will the USA roster for the 2014 World's be put on here soon?

About competitive record

Hi there, It's because I've promise stop editing about ice hockey pages for a few days based on Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Stevencocoboy_reported_by_User:Fyunck(click)_(Result:_Declined). I've constructive a competitive record in World Championships but the guy revert my edit. As an example, the competitive record in World Championships (see under), all data were deleted, inclued the team result, position, games played, won & lost, GF, GA. No explain any reason. His revert reason is about Olympic championships and World Championships medal should be counted twice based on WP:CONSENSUS, but not about this. It seems that he is a vandalizer in wikipedia. I suggest that add the information back. Did anyone have other opinions? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 05:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

World Championships

Note: Between 1920 and 1968, the Olympic ice hockey tournament was also considered the World Championship for that year.^[1]

Note: World War II forced cancellation of all tournaments from 1940 to 1946.

Note: In 1972, a separate tournament was held both for the World Championships and the Winter Olympics for the first time.

Note: No World Championships were held during the Olympic years 1980, 1984, and 1988.

Note: The 2020 tournament was cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic.^[2]

Games	Result	Position	GP	W	OTW	OTL	L	D	GF	GA
1920	See Ice hockey at the 1920 Summer Olympics^[3]
1924	See Ice hockey at the 1924 Winter Olympics^[3]
1928	Did not participate
1930	Did not participate
1931	Runner-up		6	5	0	0	1	0	22	3
1932	See Ice hockey at the 1932 Winter Olympics^[3]
1933	Champions		5	5	0	0	0	0	23	1
1934	Runner-up		4	3	0	0	1	0	6	2
1935	Did not participate
1936	See Ice hockey at the 1936 Winter Olympics^[3]
1937	Did not participate
1938	Second round	7th	6	3	0	0	2	1	10	5
1939	Runner-up		9	6	1	0	2	0	25	8
1940–1946	Competitions not held because of World War II
1947	Round-robin	5th	7	4	0	0	3	0	42	26
1948	See Ice hockey at the 1948 Winter Olympics^[3]
1949	Third place		8	6	0	0	2	0	59	22
1950	Runner-up		7	5	0	0	2	0	49	29
1951	Group A round-robin	6th	6	1	0	0	4	1	14	42
1952	See Ice hockey at the 1952 Winter Olympics^[3]
1953	Did not participate
1954	Did not participate
1955	Fourth place	4th	8	4	0	0	2	2	33	29
1956	See Ice hockey at the 1956 Winter Olympics^[3]
1957	Did not participate
1958	Round-robin	5th	7	3	0	0	3	1	29	33
1959	Fourth place	4th	8	5	0	0	3	0	45	25
1960	See Ice hockey at the 1960 Winter Olympics^[3]
1961	Group A round-robin	6th	7	1	0	0	5	1	24	43
1962	Third place		7	5	0	0	2	0	54	23
1963	Group A round-robin	8th	7	1	0	0	5	1	21	64
1964	See Ice hockey at the 1964 Winter Olympics^[3]
1965	Group A round-robin	6th	7	2	0	0	5	0	22	44
1966	Group A round-robin	6th	7	2	0	0	5	0	18	39
1967	Group A round-robin	5th	7	3	0	0	3	1	20	23
1968	See Ice hockey at the 1968 Winter Olympics^[3]
1969	Group A round-robin	6th^[4]	10	0	0	0	10	0	23	74
1970	Group B round-robin	7th^[5]	7	7	0	0	0	0	70	11
1971	Group A round-robin	6th^[6]	10	2	0	0	8	0	31	53
1972	Group B round-robin	8th^[7]	6	5	0	0	0	1	39	22
1973	Group B round-robin	8th^[8]	7	5	0	0	1	1	52	23
1974	Group B round-robin	7th^[9]	7	7	0	0	0	0	40	14
1975	Group A round-robin	6th	10	0	0	0	10	0	22	84
1976	Fourth place	4th	10	3	0	0	6	1	24	42
1977	First round	6th	10	3	0	0	6	1	29	43
1978	First round	6th	10	2	0	0	6	2	38	58
1979	First round	7th	8	2	0	0	3	3	27	28
1980	Competition not held during 1980 Winter Olympics
1981	First round	5th	8	4	0	0	3	1	39	43
1982	First round	8th^[10]	7	0	0	0	6	1	21	39
1983	Group B round-robin	9th^[11]	7	6	0	0	0	1	53	14
1984	Competition not held during 1984 Winter Olympics
1985	Fourth place	4th	10	4	0	0	5	1	31	58
1986	First round	6th	10	4	0	0	6	0	41	43
1987	First round	7th	10	4	0	0	6	0	36^[12]	49
1988	Competition not held during 1988 Winter Olympics
1989	First round	6th	10	4	0	0	5	1	37	40
1990	First round	5th	10	6	0	0	4	0	35	43
1991	Fourth place	4th	10	3	0	0	5	2	35	51
1992	Quarterfinals	7th	6	2	0	0	3	1	15	23
1993	Quarterfinals	6th	6	2	0	0	2	2	16	15
1994	Fourth place	4th	8	4	0	0	4	0	26	35
1995	Quarterfinals	6th	6	3	0	0	1	2	18	15
1996	Third place		8	4	1	0	3	0	22	24
1997	Second Round	6th	8	4	0	0	3	1	19	21
1998	First round	12th	6	1	0	0	4	1	10	19
1999	Second round	6th	6	3	0	0	3	0	22	15
2000	Quarterfinals	5th	7	4	0	0	1	2	17	13
2001	Fourth place	4th	11	4	1	0	4	2	30	26
2002	Quarter-finals	7th	9	4	0	0	4	1	23	20
2003	First round	13th	6	3	0	0	3	0	23	14
2004	Third place		9	3	2	0	3	1	30	21
2005	Quarterfinals	6th	7	3	0	1	1	2	23	13
2006	Quarterfinals	7th	7	4	0	0	3	0	14	16
2007	Quarterfinals	5th	7	4	0	1	2	—	28	20
2008	Quarterfinals	6th	7	4	0	1	2	—	32	17
2009	Fourth place	4th	9	4	0	2	3	—	32	28
2010	Preliminary round	13th	6	2	1	2	1	—	21	9
2011	Quarterfinals	8th	7	3	0	1	3	—	20	24
2012	Quarterfinals	7th	8	4	2	0	2	—	34	20
2013	Third place		10	7	0	0	3	—	35	24
2014	Quarterfinals	6th	8	4	1	0	3	—	30	27
2015	Third place		10	7	1	0	2	—	28	19
2016	Fourth place	4th	10	3	1	1	5	—	29	30
2017	Quarterfinals	5th	8	6	0	0	2	—	31	16
2018	Third place		10	6	2	0	2	—	46	25
2019	Quarterfinals	7th	8	4	1	0	3	—	30	19
2020	Competition cancelled due to the COVID-19 pandemic^[2]
2021	Third place		10	8	0	0	2	—	35	14
2022	Fourth place	4th	10	4	2	0	4	—	28	24
2023	Fourth place	4th	10	7	1	2	0	—	43	16
2024	Quarter-finals	5th	8	5	0	1	2	—	37	17
2025	Qualified
Total	1 Title	71/88	556	265	17	12	223	39	2,086	1.932

The proposed changes are incorrect. Multiple times it has been stated that the Olympic tournament also counted as the World Championships from 1920 to 1968. Flibirigit (talk) 15:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^ "Men's World Championship". teamusa.usahockey.com.
^ ^a ^b Steiss, Adam. "2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled". iihf.com. IIHF. Archived from the original on 21 March 2020. Retrieved 21 March 2020.
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^ 2nd in Group B
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^ 1st in Group B, promoted to Group A
^ relegated to Group B
^ 1st in Group B, promoted to Group A
^ Two goals were not count because of the positive drug test of Scott Young

[1] "Men's World Championship". teamusa.usahockey.com.

[cancelled2020-2] Steiss, Adam. "2020 IIHF Ice Hockey World Championship cancelled". iihf.com. IIHF. Archived from the original on 21 March 2020. Retrieved 21 March 2020.

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